Excellent post on Reddit.
Thank you so much for posting VW.org!
PS Does anyone else know about this number each of the JW's are supposed to get and I suppose use when they go to the JW..org site to log in?
as descibed by the title here is a link to reddit of a what i believe is a powerful post with heaps of information.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/7ovq5o/watchtowers_decline_what_will_the_future_hold_for/?utm_source=reddit-android.
Excellent post on Reddit.
Thank you so much for posting VW.org!
PS Does anyone else know about this number each of the JW's are supposed to get and I suppose use when they go to the JW..org site to log in?
i'd like share why i went from being a teenager determined to work in full time service for jehovah my entire life, to now being on here commiserating with you all.
i use to be an atheist but i now believe in god.
but i'm not preachy about god.
@dantoole87: Would you mind PM, private messaging me please and giving me a private email address with your name from this site so that I might talk to you about something important?
My PM has not worked for a long time. I can read any PM sent to me but I cannot answer any from this site. I will answer you by email using my name here.
Thank you.
the circuit overseer this week on tuesday gave a talk on loyalty to jehovah.
i listed 5 points.
i only remember 3.. one was the typical association with disfellowshipped relatives, the next was loyalty to friends over jehovah by not reporting wrongdoing to elders.
The CO sounds more likely he was disturbed / jealous that he had given up any normal life and children and normal working job and planning for retirement (by his own choice) to serve his God and in his mind, his God doesn't like people going on vacations, especially golfing trips when the Elders come back and mention teeing off at some exotic location. And his wife doesn't have any extra cash to go shopping and buy anything and it upsets her. So this becomes something wrong in (only) his mind.
Wife swapping among JDubs? Yes it happens but not that often. Child abuse still happens all the time. Why didn't he talk about that? Because he has no children so is not personally concerned? But golfing and money for shopping does?
Where is this guys priorities?
If he said wanting to keep the congo clean we will remain loyal to God by reporting child abuse as soon as we learn of this criminal activity in the congregation to the proper authorities which is the Police so they can take care of it properly and throughally. No. They tell the Elders to keep it quiet, under wraps, and call JW..org Legal department to let their paid Lawyers look into it. Shameful.
only stumbled upon this letter today:.
http://jw-wayback.org/jw-wb/english/letters/to%20congregations/1916-2006/1968-07-09%20to%20all%20congregations%20in%20the%20usa%20(jw%20involved%20in%20assassination%20of%20kennedy).pdf.
apparently, the father of bobby kennedy's killer was accused of being a jw.
11th paragraph. "They were never given financial assistance (from JW's) at any time".
Ask any JDub we could have told them that!
They do NOT give financial assistance to anyone. They say that is what worldly people / government assistance is for. Got sick? Lost your job? Go on Welfare / Pubic Assistance / Soup Kitchen / Meals On Wheels / Worldly Food Banks, don't come begging (asking) for any help from us. Where on earth did you ever get that silly idea? Didn't you see the letter? It says we are a non profit. We only take in money. We don't give it out.
by there fruits you can tell a true christian.
well if this is the case, then if you are not blind it is easy to see that the witnesses truly not what they present themselves as.
my wife is a testament to this characteristic.
Good JW: The word narcissist might get thrown out there a lot because the world is waking up to the fact that a percentage of people are this way.
Maybe you yourself are a narcissist and don't like the light shown on this subject?
Narcissists Do NOT accept blame. THEY blame their victims.
Examples:
She made me hit her.
She / he makes me drink and makes me so angry.
If she / he was prettier / more handsome I wouldn't go out looking at other females / males.
He / she doesn't have a hot body so I have to watch porn to get excited. They just don't do it for me anymore.
I told her to have dinner on the table for 5PM. She didn't, so I had to yell and slap her around so she would get my point.
Sometimes she makes me so angry I choke her. It is all in fun though.
I told her if she ever tried to escape I would kill her.
I told her I had a knife / gun and you had better be afraid.
Or the businessman: Hell yeah I signed a contract saying I would pay millions of dollars for this job. They did the job but I'm not a chum. I am not paying them the total amount. They can go suck lemons. In fact I won't even pay them half and keep stalling with that so they can't pay their workmen and they all go bankrupt. Hahaha! Now I am the richman and I don't care about those little people. They mean nothing to me.
All of the above are just some of the tacticts of narcissists. They have no feelings. They never admit they were ever wrong. They will point the finger of blame on you and intentionally drive your good reputation into the mud. Made up lies and gossip they make sure work in their favor. They feel no shame. They are happy in making normal people miserable and enjoy ruining lives. They are sick.
by there fruits you can tell a true christian.
well if this is the case, then if you are not blind it is easy to see that the witnesses truly not what they present themselves as.
my wife is a testament to this characteristic.
goingthruthemotions: Have you looked up the defination of a narcissist? This is what your wife sounds like. They have no feelings. They only care for themselves and what they can get off other people. Hurting people, getting the "better" of them makes them happy. It sounds warped to us if we are normal but being warped is their normal.
Have you heard of narcissistic supply? Many narcissists marry nice normal people in order to have a ready supply at their finger tips to put supposed loved ones "down". They enjoy hurting you, be it by hitting you, swearing at you, belittling you, laughing at you, no encouragement, with holding sex, putting you in dire financial stress. They don't care what they do to you and they do not apologize. If they apologize it is merely words in the air to make you stay. It is not wholehearted at all and they do not quit, they continue their bad behavior to intentionally hurt.
I am sorry you have a wife like this. May I ask, why do you stay? Many times victims of narcissists state that they were in a Stockholm Syndrome situation. They are brainwashed to believe they cannot make it on their own if they leave, so unfortunately many stay.
letter dated 1/1/2018.
i know they are trying to simplify but it all is such a confusing mess.... forms, dates, calculators, committees, logins, publisher record cards.....jesus would barf.
to all bodies of elders re: announcements and reminders dear brothers: in an effort to reduce the number of letters sent to all bodies of elders and congregations, most announcements from the branch office will now be conveyed to congregations by means of the announcements and reminders (s-147) form.
Third sentence from the bottom.
The Truth: Thank you for taking care of this Recruitment Center in your area for us.
i was talking to a jdub yesterday about child abuse in the organisation and this was his response:.
"it has been known for kids to make stuff up.
we have to trust the society on these things, also the legal process is there.
Everyone knows "child abuse" happens at every KHall.
Smacking, slapping, spanking, twisting of skin.
Child is young and needs to be home tucked into bed to sleep but instead is wearing dress up clothes at an adult recruitment/selling seminar.
Older child, teenager needs to stay home and do homework and study for school tests not be dressed up sitting at the Hall.
It is abusive not to be in team/competitive sports where you get needed exercise, encouragement and feelings of achievement.
It is abusive to not let a child be who they want to be.
We are not even discussing sex abuse here. In matters of sexual abuse, what motive(s) does an adult have in saying children lie and make this horrendeous life changing event up? The adults are lying and continuing the cover up.
i'd like share why i went from being a teenager determined to work in full time service for jehovah my entire life, to now being on here commiserating with you all.
i use to be an atheist but i now believe in god.
but i'm not preachy about god.
DanToole87, Welcome to this site where you can share and get "refreshment" for your soul. You have been put through so much. You sound like a good guy surrounded by big ego narcissists and they made you their target.
You had normal reactions to your sweetheart and did what normal human beings the world over do. Feel each other up to start with. It is not uncleanness it is normal behavior. The bad part was telling elders that love gossip and spreading stories, especially sexual content ones. You have no idea how they can embellish a simple story. At each others home and gatherings, some elders get their jollies telling these stories and making fun of the people that "confess" and tell them personal stuff.
Even you wife mentioning weed. Did she really have to tell on your personal business???
Narcissists get their jollies on hurting people. Damaging their reputations. They do it on purpose because they are twisted and it makes them happy to see a good person like yourself, have your life ruined. Your good reputation gone. Three (3) hours in service for one month under severe conditions and that wasn't good enough for them when you had voluntarily already done so much? Petty little mean spirited men. (You have no idea what things they might be up to in private. Probably would make your confessions look like small potatoes but they are in The Boys Club. You aren't and they (not god) deemed you unfit to be in their inter circle).
I am sorry you have been hurt so much. We on this site understand. We have been hurt and our good reputations dragged through the mud also.
Please continue to post and let us know how you are getting over the pain of it all.
Are you still in Utah?
Hugs of concern even sympathy to a young man with a little child that was treated so badly by the only friends he knew.
i have been going through old papers and photographs since my mother passed away.
it has reminded me of some of the reasons that i really hate november.
this year has added to it obviously.. thirty-four years ago, my father passed away in early november.
JRK I hope you can rest tonight. You are a good son and you lost your beloved mother. No matter how much we dislike death, that is what happens to all living things. It doesn't make it any easier though. She was your hero. You of course miss her. To lose someone we love, is one of the hardest things that can happen to us.
To keep her memory alive you need to look after yourself. Be good to yourself like your mom was good to you. Eat well. Exercise. Get some fresh air. Remember all the good happy times. How sweet of you to light a cinnamon scented candle with a red cardinal on it. All for the happy time, memories of her.
I am sorry she had to leave you. All parents usually go first. It is just the way life is. If she could have stayed and lived to be 100, you know she would have stayed. She wouldn't want this to be such a painful time for you. You know she would want to comfort you and make you happy and not make you cry.
I am a mother myself. In your mom's behalf, would you mind if I might send you a big, warm, comforting hug to you, to help console you at this very sad time? I have fluffed your pillows and your bed is all warm and cosy. I kiss your forehead and wish you a good night and sweet dreams. I am sure your mom loved you very much and if you were my son, I would add before turning off the lights, good night my son. I love you JRK more than you will ever know. Night, night.